Tuesday 2 July 2024

GURPS-ACKS Conversions: Why?

GURPS-ACKS Conversions: Why?

You probably noticed that lately I’ve been interested in ACKS – Adventurer, Conqueror, King System, and that I’ve even written some conversion notes. I have been asked a question – why am I doing this? Here, I’d like to give an extended answer.

First of all – no, I’m not switching from GURPS to ACKS. However, if back in the day I hadn’t found GURPS, I would’ve switched to ACKS from D&D, that’s for sure. For the most part, GURPS is a complete system – not a dead system, like some like to say – there are books and rules for almost everything. However, there still are some “holes,” such as the lack of GURPS Vehicles Design System and a working GURPS Realm Management.

For the most part, I think that GURPS Mass Combat is fine. It works well for what it was made for, but I prefer a lesser degree of abstraction. Mass combat is a situation where usually only one character matters – the commander, while the rest of the characters just wait and do nothing. Sure, there are the Significant Actions rules, but I feel that they break up the flow of the battle too much and may feel a bit arbitrary. As a player, I do not like arbitrary things. There’s also the issue of inflexibility – while there is a large assortment of combat elements to choose from, even with the various modifiers, many of them may feel the same. A squad of hobgoblin infantry probably will be the same as a squad of bugbear infantry. As for the battle itself, it is abstracted to just choosing a strategy and rolling a Quick Contest of Strategy. You do not feel in control, and there’s no tactical depth. I know that there is the Tactical Mass Combat article, but it still feels very barebones.

It’s easy to complain and whine, but I actually want to find a solution. After all, if you want something done right, do it yourself. Thus, my goals are:

  1. Domain management rules for fantasy games that are not too abstract and not too non-abstract.

  2. Fantasy mass combat rules that can involve multiple characters, have tactical depth and flexibility of game mechanics, and can be played on a hex grid.

GURPS, being a generic and universal system based on the simulationist paradigm by default has a great advantage – you can adapt books from other systems, and you’ve seen me do it all the time. I adapted so many D&D concepts and found that they work much better in GURPS than in D&D. As I like to say “Every book is a GURPS book.”

ACKS, also being a simulationist system, works surprisingly well with GURPS. In my opinion, this is a sign of quality of both systems. Thus, ACKS books are good GURPS books, if that makes any sense. One of the highlights of ACKS is its verisimilitudinous economics system. Man, I wish the “lol there are dragons and magic, how can it be realistic? xD” crowd didn’t force everyone to use such hard to pronounce words. Both ACKS and GURPS seem to have similar pricing schemes, which can be seen the mostly clearly when you compare the Costs of Living tables. Sure, there are some differences here or there, but 1 gp in ACKS seems to be roughly equivalent to $100 in GURPS.

Why is this important? Because ACKS domain management rules aren’t actually concerned much with the d20 resolution mechanics – it’s all about money, territory, and population. This makes them surprisingly compatible with GURPS – after all, population and territory is not measured in arbitrary units, and even gold pieces can be converted into GURPS dollars. All the mechanics just stay the same. It seems that the only things that need adjustments for GURPS are the following:

    - Skills used and penalties for Land Survey

    - Skills used by the Magistrates

    - Tie GURPS skills to the actions from Ruling the Realm

That’s literally it! And it can be done in ~10 minutes.

However, there’s something I omitted – armies. Even though you could use these domain management rules and use combat elements and prices from GURPS Mass Combat, for better consistency, I would suggest using the mass combat rules from Domains at War: Battles and Domains at War: Campaigns. This way, I cover both of my goals, and preserve internal consistency. I already showed off how ACKS Domains at War: Battles rules work in the most basic way, and even suggested some conversion guidelines to create new combat units based on their GURPS stats. However, the work is not done yet, as there are some other steps to perform:

    - Try out the rules for heroes and magic. Heroes in Domains at War: Battles have two different statlines – a personal statline and a unit statline. I already presented suggestions for how to derive a unit statline from GURPS statistics, but the subject of personal statline should be explored in more detail. The same goes for magic, as magic is something that is hard to get right in mass combat.

    - Adapt rules from Domains at War: Campaigns. While the Battles book gives you a way to resolve battles, the Campaigns book talks about recruiting mercenaries, training and equipping armies, army movement, domain pillaging, and all that sort of stuff. For the most part, the only things to adapt are assigning Market Classes to GURPS settlements and assigning GURPS skills to certain strategic tasks.

And that’s it – both goals will be met, and I (and maybe some of you, if you like this approach) will be able to run GURPS games involving domains and armies without handwaving the mechanics. Isn’t that great?

But why stop there? ACKS books have much more to offer that can be adapted. For example, the Hideouts and Hijinks chapter also can be used almost without any changes, letting you run an assassin’s guild or a thieves’ guild. The butchering rules from the ACKS Monster Manual interact well with the GURPS butchering rules. While GURPS tells you how much meat you get from a carcass, and I have derived values for skin and bone, ACKS can tell you how many valuable feathers you can pluck from a griffon’s plumage. The same can apply to special components that can be used to enchant items. I used some of these guidelines in my Monstrous Compendium. The Mercantile Ventures chapter will let you turn trading and moving passengers and cargo into something more interesting than a Merchant roll. The Market Class rules may be used in GURPS without any changes to determine the availability of goods.

ACKS Judge Journal is a treasure trove not only of rules, but of procedures. ACKS has clearly defined procedures for dungeon exploration, wilderness exploration, urban exploration, and sea voyages. “Clearly defined” doesn’t mean that you have to follow them to the letter, but that they lay out everything that you may want to keep in mind when resolving these situations, and can be used as checklists by the GM. Even though you may want to use GURPS rules, they probably will be compatible with the procedure. For example, I have an unfinished GURPS wilderness exploration procedure based on the one from ACKS that uses GURPS rules. When I finish it, you will know what I mean. Some believe that procedures and sequences make running the game more difficult, but I believe that they do the opposite.

Anyway, the gist of this post is that if you’re playing GURPS, you really should not neglect books written for other systems. Do not be ashamed to adapt rules and concepts from other games if you feel that they would make your game better. Of course, this does require some effort, but GMing isn’t something lazy people do in general.


9 comments:

  1. By the way, Gurps DOES have a detailed oriented realm management system... Its a pyramid article called "City Management" I ran a game with it back in 2017, and its still probably my best game ever.

    I had to make a chart tracking all the ways to improve and what the monthly rolls were (there are actually only two), and I read a bunch of theory Mailanka generated for orphans of the stars (the theory was more useful than the actual orphans of the stars document), and then I ran the game. A fair amount of tracking, but it was very concrete and worked pretty darn well.

    I've got a blog post about it, including links to the resources I used:
    https://worldsbeyondearth.blogspot.com/2017/09/gurps-city-management-refence-chart.html

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    1. I'm aware of these articles. While they are good and functional, I feel that they are too detailed for my tastes if one goes beyond the scale of a manor/city to something like a barony or duchy. I still think GURPS Realm Management should've used those articles as a base instead of whatever it did.

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    2. Makes sense. I do wish Realm Management had built on them instead of the super abstract system we got. The suggestion is you treat an entire province as a city, but I've never actually run that, so I can't really give real suggestions there.

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  2. I'm loving these entries! I've been sporadically working on some ACKS-GURPS (more cheekily, 'GACKS') conversion/synchronization myself. The Autarch discord has been helpful for some of my sillier questions, but the ACKS II Judge's Journal has been indispensable as you've noted.

    Interestingly, I arrived at a slightly different eyeball-conversion for currency - with 1 SP (ACKS) being worth between 10 and 20 GURPS $, but weighted towards $13 (so 1 GP = ~130 GURPSbucks). If pentaphilia demanded such I'd be personally inclined to err towards a 1:15 conversion rate. This is derived primarily from unskilled laborer wages in order to sync up with (at least one of) ACKS' foundational assumptions for its extended economy. If working backwards from Low-Tech 3 jobs to Basic Set, this puts the unskilled ACKS laborer into the "Struggling" category at TL3 (I mostly guesstimate ACKS to be TL3 with some early TL4 given its regularly available technologies), which sounds about right.

    This also happens to match up fairly well with GURPS Imperial Rome and another key ACKS assumption - doing the conversion for the approximate time period ACKS is emulating (okay, well 1 year displaced) a denarius has a buying power of about $0.25, with ACKS II noting that extrapolating based on the 'Edict on Maximum Prices' (what much of ACKS' pricing is based on - issued in 301 AD by Emperor Diocletian) results in 541.58 denarii for a quarter of wheat, which is equal to 1 GP or $135.395 GURPSbucks, then simplifying to 1 SP = ~13 $.

    I didn't look closely at the values of many specific goods for comparison in GURPS, trusting that ACKS is the more internally accurate one in its list cases given that it is emulating a relatively specific time period and simulating a relatively specific economy (relative to GURPS).

    All this to say, this stuff is really interesting and useful. Your process conversions with added page references in particular are of exceptional value - I'm really looking forward to reading more!

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    2. Just to add a couple caveats, regarding some of the assumptions above:
      1. Strictly based on time period and ignoring anachronisms or branching technologies for the sake of adventuring game fun, we would be looking at TL2 of course - this doesn't change the job-based calculation much, although it *does* put the conversion rate closer to 1:10 (a SP worth about $11.25) which is a solid point in favor of your conversion rate (in addition to the absolute convenience of easy division).
      2. The ACKS II Judges Journal notes that the Edict from 301 AD is not necessarily a bible for accurate pricing - noting that governments have had a long history of getting price controls very wrong, as well as some prices in the Edict being mathematically impossible and thus having been manually altered with additional research for ACKS' purposes.

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    3. Thank you! I believe that a 100% accurate money conversion is impossible, but both 1 gp = $100 and 1 sp = $13 or $11.25 seem like close enough approximation. Next on my list is heroes and magic in Domains at War, so stay tuned for that!

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    4. Agreed, they're all perfectly functional options! I don't think it's possible to do a 1:1 currency match without simply... playing the other game, ha. Even if you could, I don't think it would actually matter because the application of expenditures would vary wildly depending on process (you noted this with your building construction walkthrough, but I think it remains fairly true even just within GURPS for instance).

      Just to note in the event it's useful - in going back and looking at my numbers again, I made a blatant error! The price of a quarter of wheat in ACKS is actually assumed to be 4 GP, not 1 GP. This implies a SP is worth $3.38 (call it $4, which is spot on with what B515 says about 14th-century English silver pennies interestingly), and a GP about $34. This puts an unskilled laborer at ~$120 per month of income based on conversion alone, which is solidly "Poor"/-2 Status and matches up very closely to the earnings of a porter adjusted for TL 2... which goes to show that an even broader range of exchange rates is likely plausible enough for play!

      Looking forward to see more of your insights on Domains at War!

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